Modern "Spirit" Music

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Modern "Spirit" Music Jun 22, 2009 14:05:31 GMT -5

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Post by menolly on Jun 22, 2009 14:05:31 GMT -5

Who was I talking with at The Warehouse Friday night regarding the various styles of Chr-stian music that is now out there and I told them I had found some Chasidic Jewish hip-hop? I think it was CadZombie and Cheval, so I'll post for CadZombie here, and PM Cheval a link to here on the Watch, since I already posted about this in Vespers there.

I'm not really sure how to title this thread, as Chr-stian groups and these hip-hoppers aren't "religious" music, per se, but is meant to be uplifting and inspiring. At least, that's how I see it. So, I guess "spirit" works...

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Here are the lyrics. The Hebrew is Psalm 137:5-6 , "If I forsake thee, O Jerusalem..."

(Describe)
Crown Heights!! Chosen Few crew!
Describe! modular Y- Love! Prodezra in the building, building!
Prodezra Beats now…Prodezra Beats now…
He’s a genius I’m tellin’ ya…
if i forsake you Jerusalem….ayyy….yoooo!!

(Chorus)
אם אשכחך ירושלים תשכח ימיני
Im eshkachech Yerushalayim Tishkach Y’mini
תדבק לשוני לחכי
Tidback leshoni lichiki lichiki
אם לא אזרכי -- אם לא אעלה את ירושלים
Im lo ezkarechi im lo a’aleh et Yerushalayim
Jerusalem (Jah!)
על ראש שמחתי
Al rosh simchati
אם אשכחך ירושלים תשכח ימיני
Im eshkachech Yerushalayim Tishkach Y’mini
Spit fire! Now my brothas you can just roll with me
אם לא אזרכי -- אם לא אעלה את ירושלים
Im lo ezkarechi im lo a’aleh et Yerushalayim
Jerusalem (Jah!)
על ראש שמחתי
Al rosh simchati

(Describe)
Yooooooo!
It’ a new world advanced technology
Everybody got access, can you feel the energy
Satellites and televisions, straight up infinity
Look at all the changes man, can you see the prophecy
אם אשכחך ירושלים תשכח ימיני
(Im eshkachech Yerushalayim Tishkach Y’mini)
אנחנו חיים בעולם כל-כך אכזרי
(Anachnu chaim ba’olam kol kach achzari)
It’s the real deal, black & white, BOOM! In your face
Do the One Two step, and slow down the pace aye,
Describe!!! With the lyrical vibe
Wake up and smell the napalm cuz the world is alive
We’re far from perfect, yeah I know, but we’re movin’ too slow
So I’m rappin’ bout a change, feel the beat, let’s go!
All I wanna do is change a little bit of you
By making music that can spread out some light, Ooo Ooo
It’s real dark , we just need to light a spark,
And the fire will just blaze up, d’ blaze up the night!

(Chorus)
אם אשכחך ירושלים תשכח ימיני
Im eshkachech Yerushalayim Tishkach Y’mini
תדבק לשוני לחכי
Tidback leshoni lichiki lichiki
אם לא אזרכי -- אם לא אעלה את ירושלים
Im lo ezkarechi im lo a’aleh et Yerushalayim
Jerusalem (Jah!)
על ראש שמחתי
Al rosh simchati
אם אשכחך ירושלים תשכח ימיני
Im eshkachech Yerushalayim Tishkach Y’mini
Spit fire! Now my brothas you can just roll with me
אם לא אזרכי -- אם לא אעלה את ירושלים
Im lo ezkarechi im lo a’aleh et Yerushalayim
Jerusalem (Jah!)
על ראש שמחתי
Al rosh simchati

(Y-Love)
עיר הקודש - שורה שמו שם
(Ir ha'kodesh, shoreh shmo sham) - The Holy City, He will rest His Name there!
לכל - השורש
(La'kol - ha'shoresh) - The source of everything!
On the ground, the stones shine!
The water gon' flow - check the fire in the sky!
Then the horn gon' blow, then we all gon' fly...
Connect to the Redemption! Walk into the sunrise,
Go across the Wi Fi, download the Most High!
Believe in the dream, both eyes to the prize
The place that all nations gonna praise One G-d
Materialistic think its gonna reign perpetual
Destruction comes eventual, we tryin’ to rise for festivals
Nation that originated here on these streets,
Inspiration that’s contained in this mp3
Bring the opposite of apocalypse, the positive uprisin’
Soul directed towards the תלפיות (Talpiyot), with quotes from the Prophets
Words on the scroll in the remainder of the Temple
Yeah, the 34th meridian stays central to the mental!

(Chorus)
אם אשכחך ירושלים תשכח ימיני
Im eshkachech Yerushalayim Tishkach Y’mini
תדבק לשוני לחכי
Tidback leshoni lichiki lichiki
אם לא אזרכי -- אם לא אעלה את ירושלים
Im lo ezkarechi im lo a’aleh et Yerushalayim
Jerusalem (Jah!)
על ראש שמחתי
Al rosh simchati
אם אשכחך ירושלים תשכח ימיני
Im eshkachech Yerushalayim Tishkach Y’mini
Spit fire! Now my brothas you can just roll with me
אם לא אזרכי -- אם לא אעלה את ירושלים
Im lo ezkarechi im lo a’aleh et Yerushalayim
Jerusalem (Jah!)
על ראש שמחתי
Al rosh simchati

(Describe)
Yaaaaooooooooooo!!!!
While we livin’ in a reality that’s physical
I gotta look and internally to reveal the spiritual, man
Make ya hands go (clap), bring it back now
Feel ya heart go (bump bump) , and ya soul goes….y oooo!

(Y-Love)
The digital reality, the soul into technology
The unity the policy to bring that new theology
Now clap for me, now bring it down for me
Come on clap for me, now bring it back for me

(Describe)
Yo! Don’t go political with all the individual
Divisions that be splittin’, don’t be trippin’,that be infantile
ya hands go (clap), bring it back now
Feel ya heart go (bump bump) and your souls goes…Jyaaaaaa!!!

(Y-Love)
Yo I can’t help but be political, and keep it individual
But when we on the spiritual, yo one is indivisible,
Now clap for me, now bring it down for me
Now just clap for me!

(Chorus)
אם אשכחך ירושלים תשכח ימיני
Im eshkachech Yerushalayim Tishkach Y’mini
תדבק לשוני לחכי
Tidback leshoni lichiki lichiki
אם לא אזרכי -- אם לא אעלה את ירושלים
Im lo ezkarechi im lo a’aleh et Yerushalayim
Jerusalem (Jah!)
על ראש שמחתי
Al rosh simchati
אם אשכחך ירושלים תשכח ימיני
Im eshkachech Yerushalayim Tishkach Y’mini
Spit fire! Now my brothas you can just roll with me
אם לא אזרכי -- אם לא אעלה את ירושלים
Im lo ezkarechi im lo a’aleh et Yerushalayim
Jerusalem (Jah!)
על ראש שמחתי
Al rosh simchati

Yo! Describe with the lyrical vibe
The Chosen Few…yeah yeah yeah…The Chosen Few!
Y-Love go beyond the norm, my eyes directed towards Tziyon (Zion)
We on, be on!
Describe with the lyrical vibe, we give power to the people
Spreadin’ light, Da power’s on!
Y-Love, the Modular, the function, we risin’
With gumption, I gotta say something I’m runnin’!

I'll admit, I couldn't tell you good hip-hop from bad.
But I do enjoy this...

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Cad Zombie Moderator Psuedo-Lefty Carl, Run! Posts: 287	Modern "Spirit" Music Jun 22, 2009 23:18:01 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Cad Zombie on Jun 22, 2009 23:18:01 GMT -5 Definately not my cup of tea, but interesting nonetheless. Just as a point of interest I noticed you dropped the i from the word Christian in your post, what is the significance of that if any? CZ
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Modern "Spirit" Music Jun 23, 2009 6:17:38 GMT -5

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Jun 22, 2009 23:18:01 GMT -5 Cad Zombie said:

Just as a point of interest I noticed you dropped the i from the word Christian in your post, what is the significance of that if any?

As a Jew, we have a tradition of not writing names of G-d. Even vocally, when practicing prayers in Hebrew, we use the word HaShem, which means "name," instead of the word ad-noi, which in itself is a substitute for the name with two yuds (the "Y" sound), which we never even pronounce, much less write out.

The tradition is explained better here.

On top of that, I have my own craziness where I have decided to apply the tradition to all names for HaShem that I know are a name. So, once I get to know someone whose name is say, Chr-stine, I will explain what I do, and write their name that way. I abbreviate Kr-shna, JC, All-h, etc. Buddha is not considered a g-d, to my understanding, so I don't abbreviate his name. But should I learn differently, I will change it.

I mean it always as a sign of respect. On occasion, I have had a few people who don't understand that, but generally once explained, most accept my mishigosh (craziness).

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Modern "Spirit" Music Jun 23, 2009 12:41:21 GMT -5

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Gotcha

I personally tend to use the tetragrammation for the sacred name in print and in prayer.

From what I remember it comes down to the whole "taking name in vain" scriptures and the interpretation thereof which drives both sides of that arguement.

Oh well,

CZ

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Modern "Spirit" Music Jun 23, 2009 13:57:35 GMT -5

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Jun 23, 2009 12:41:21 GMT -5 Cad Zombie said:

I personally tend to use the tetragrammation for the sacred name in print and in prayer.

*nod*

I didn't know the word for it.
Precisely what we attempt to avoid using at all times. Hence the double yud spelling for ad-nai.

From wikipedia:

Pronouncing the tetragrammaton

Most modern denominations of Judaism teach that the four-letter name of God, YHWH, is forbidden to be uttered except by the High Priest in the Temple. Since the Temple in Jerusalem no longer exists, this name is never said in religious rituals by Jews, and the correct pronunciation is disputed. Orthodox and some Conservative Jews never pronounce it for any reason. Some religious non-Orthodox Jews are willing to pronounce it, but for educational purposes only, and never in casual conversation or in prayer. Instead of pronouncing YHWH during prayer, Jews say Adonai.

Substituting Adonai for YHWH dates back at least to the 3rd century BCE.

*let it be known I cut and pasted, instead of writing this myself, so I didn't insert the dashes nor delete the four English letters that are the tetragrammaton*

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Cad Zombie Moderator Psuedo-Lefty Carl, Run! Posts: 287	Modern "Spirit" Music Jun 23, 2009 14:54:25 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Cad Zombie on Jun 23, 2009 14:54:25 GMT -5 Very interesting stuff thanks for the info. I tend to wonder if that tradition is more Talmudic than anything else, what do you think? CZ
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Modern "Spirit" Music Jun 23, 2009 15:04:28 GMT -5

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Probably, as even Wikipedia says as early as 3 BCE.
But to the Torah-observant (of which I am not, but I choose to follow this and add to it), minhag (tradition/Talmudic/Rabbinic) has the weight of halahah (Torah Law).

So it makes no difference if it is Torah or Talmudic to those who practice.

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Cad Zombie Moderator Psuedo-Lefty Carl, Run! Posts: 287	Modern "Spirit" Music Jun 24, 2009 2:53:35 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Cad Zombie on Jun 24, 2009 2:53:35 GMT -5 ooooo this could become a religous debate really quickly. I'll just smile and nod and hope for the best
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menolly Orator Harper/Firelizard Keeper Posts: 107	Modern "Spirit" Music Jun 24, 2009 6:23:33 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by menolly on Jun 24, 2009 6:23:33 GMT -5 A debate about what, though? As I said, I am not Torah observant, so neither really makes a difference to me. shrug
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cleburne Orator Posts: 350	Modern "Spirit" Music Jun 24, 2009 12:41:49 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by cleburne on Jun 24, 2009 12:41:49 GMT -5 Well you lost me on this one Ive never heard of this modern spirit music, or maybe its cause i,ve led a sheltered life Is it popular in the states ?

dANdeLION Global Moderator Architect of Doom Posts: 1,120	Modern "Spirit" Music Jun 24, 2009 12:48:15 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by dANdeLION on Jun 24, 2009 12:48:15 GMT -5 Jun 24, 2009 2:53:35 GMT -5 Cad Zombie said: ooooo this could become a religous debate really quickly. I won't be doing any arguing....I don't even know what you guys are talking about.
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Modern "Spirit" Music Jun 24, 2009 16:45:26 GMT -5

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Jun 24, 2009 6:23:33 GMT -5 menolly said:

A debate about what, though?
As I said, I am not Torah observant, so neither really makes a difference to me.
*shrug*

I do not agree with the assertion that the Talmud or rabbinical tradition carries the same validity as the law, matter of fact I believe it contradicts it more than not.

Thats why I was thinking this thread could decend into arguement easily.

No offense intended, everyone is entitled to their beliefs no matter what they may be.

CZ

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Modern "Spirit" Music Jun 24, 2009 19:28:43 GMT -5

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Jun 24, 2009 12:41:49 GMT -5 cleburne said:

Well you lost me on this one

Ive never heard of this modern spirit music, or maybe its cause i,ve led a sheltered life

Is it popular in the states ?

um...
I guess it was my way of saying music like Clear Frontiers, which is Chr-stian Rock, or the Chasidic hip-hop I linked to, or even the Yiddish metal dAN told me he has. Modern music with a religious overtone, of sorts. Does that help?

Jun 24, 2009 16:45:26 GMT -5 Cad Zombie said:

Jun 24, 2009 6:23:33 GMT -5 menolly said:

A debate about what, though?
As I said, I am not Torah observant, so neither really makes a difference to me.
*shrug*

I do not agree with the assertion that the Talmud or rabbinical tradition carries the same validity as the law, matter of fact I believe it contradicts it more than not.

Thats why I was thinking this thread could decend into arguement easily.

No offense intended, everyone is entitled to their beliefs no matter what they may be.

CZ

ah, nah.
Even if you had pursued that I wouldn't have argued with you. I was stating what the observant believe, of which I am not.

So, we're all good.

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Cad Zombie Moderator Psuedo-Lefty Carl, Run! Posts: 287	Modern "Spirit" Music Jun 25, 2009 5:20:08 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Cad Zombie on Jun 25, 2009 5:20:08 GMT -5 cool.
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